It is  not,  in  my  experience,  a  very  frequent  occurrence  that an underground  band  who  cultivates  their  underground  status  so blatantly and corrosively as Anaal Nathrakh  would  so  rapidly  gain recognition from the bigger  metal  and  sort-of-metal  publications. Having personally witnessed their sonic development since their first demo [CoC #43] and having interviewed them after  their  second  [CoC #48, #49], I have to say I have never yet found a trace of  any  kind of faux-underground and ultimately commercial attitude in this  band. Just a listen to their first full-length  record  _The  Codex  Necro_ [CoC #56] should provide more than enough proof,  but  V.I.T.R.I.O.L. -- one half of the duo that is Anaal  Nathrakh  --  proves  with  his discourse that there is a lot more than mindless sonic aggression  in Anaal Nathrakh.
CoC: _The Codex Necro_ is your latest  output,  and  the  first  with      which you can expect more widespread recognition. How  satisfied      are you with it?
V.I.T.R.I.O.L.: Very. When we started Anaal  Nathrakh,  it  was  with                 complete disregard for the outside world, so the fact                 that our music has been so well received  is  at  the                 very least interesting. In terms of  whether  we  are                 satisfied with the actual recording, yes we  are.  We                 set out to squeeze out the  most  violently  horrible                 puss we could, and we succeeded. That is not  to  say                 that there is not more to come, though...
CoC: You have always been quite successful in the underground  --  at      least as far as CoC is concerned. However, you now seem to  have      picked up some impressive praise from bigger magazines  such  as      Terrorizer and Kerrang! as well with  your  latest  disc,  which      could thrust Anaal Nathrakh into a rather  visible  position  in      the metal world. How do you feel about that?
V: It was interesting when Kerrang! asked us for an interview,  etc..    They sent a photographer to Necrodeath Studios  who  had  recently    been on tour with some shit but very popular American band. Static    X or some similar pile of crap. He asked us if we  were  going  to    get dressed up for the photos etc., and we just said "Er,  no".  I    don't think he really  understood  our  attitude,  and  we  didn't    understand his. The journalist I spoke to seemed genuine,  though.    Terrorizer at least  supports  some  decent  music  sometimes,  so    receiving attention from them is a bit different.  Basically,  the    idea is the same as when I have always said we could  easily  sign    to a huge label if they offered us millions of  pounds.  Not  that    they would. No one will ever get anything from us  but  absolutely    vile shit. We do not, and will never compromise. At all. Ever.  As    long as people understand that they are free to do with it as they    will, we don't give a fuck. Are we  rockstars,  or  interested  in    becoming them? No, fuck off. We just keep on doing what we  do  to    the detriment of everyone else. The end.
CoC: As far as I know, you still don't have a human drummer. Is  this      situation likely to change? Will it  stop  you  from  performing      live?
V: At the moment, we have no plans to get a drummer and no  plans  to    perform live.  There  is  nothing  to  say  we  could  never  have    a  drummer,  should  an  appropriately  necrotic  and  unspeakable    individual become available. If we got a drummer, we  could  think    about live shows, but not before. That is not, however,  something    that we spend a lot of time bothering to consider.
CoC: Your  sound  currently  conveys  an   unbelievable   amount   of      aggression at times. How do you  see  that  evolving?  Will  you      strive for even greater brutality,  or  try  to  diversify  your      sound?
V: We have already recorded material that is far  more  violent  than    anything we have so far released. Until the world  is  cracked  in    two and sent crashing into the  sun,  there  is  always  room  for    improvement. Basically we will do whatever the fuck we want to do.    At the moment, that includes  insanity  and  barbarism.  We  would    never try to do something, we would just do it.
CoC: The same can be  said  about  your  vocals:  some  of  the  most      desperately hysterical and harsh I've ever heard. Do  you  still      have vocal chords as such?
V: Just about. A sound guy once asked if I had a distortion box in my    throat. The whole point of the singing is to get across the  sound    that's in my head. It drives me fucking mad because  I  can't  get    away from it, so when it comes  out  it's  pretty  fucking  harsh.    "Desperately hysterical" is probably a good description.
CoC: How pleased are  you  for  having  _The  Codex  Necro_  released      through Mordgrimm?  Do  you  believe  they  might  be  the  most      appropriate label for Anaal Nathrakh, given their profile?
V: Their performance in the UK has been very  good.  Outside  the  UK    I  don't  think  there  has  been  a  proper  release,  so  better    distribution could be needed. Nihil, who runs Mordgrimm, seems  to    have a good understanding of the necro spirit, and that is what is    necessary.
CoC: You state that "humanity is cancer". Would you like to elaborate      on that?
V: To launch  into  a  rant  here  would  seem  predictable.  Suffice    to  say  this:  generally  speaking,  what  is  cancer?  It  is  a    growing collection of undifferentiated cells that by  itself  does    little except attempt to perpetuate itself. The byproduct  of  its    existence and its trying to further its fundamental uniformity  is    to suffocate and  destroy  everything  around  it  and  ultimately    itself simply by existing.  In  virtually  its  entirety,  and  by    virtue of the wasted possibility it represents, it  deserves  only    to be exterminated. That is what cancer is.
CoC: May I ask what you think about the events that took place in New      York on September 11th?
V: And give blinkered, ignorant maggots yet another  excuse  to  hurl    abuse at us? People  who  are  so  stupid  that  they  can't  even    understand to whom I'm referring when I use the  term  "blinkered,    ignorant maggots"? No. We'll keep our silence and  they  can  keep    their pathetic worlds.
CoC: What would you like to see happening in the world during 2002?
V: We would like to become independently wealthy.  The  rest  of  the    world can go fuck itself. It would be good to be drunk long enough    to get away from all the shit that seems to coat everything.
CoC: How do you imagine the world will be like ten  years  from  now?      And when you are in your old age, assuming you live that long?
V: "Assuming you live that long". Thanks for the vote of  confidence.    It's not an assumption I share either. I  don't  think  about  the    future. I have an irrational  sense  that  something  horrible  is    always about to happen -- a lot of people do, so I'm told  --  and    when I try to picture the future, all I see  is  black.  The  only    certainty is oblivion.
CoC: Titles such as "Insipid Flock" and "Human All Too Fucking Human"    seem to speak for themselves, but what exactly  is  the  "paradigm    shift" that you also mention?
V: Any  given  operative  paradigm  is  the  framework  within  which    everything operates. For example, in the philosophy of science, it    has been said that science can exist within the  current  paradigm    -- e.g. working with and manipulating  data  within  accepted  and    generally understood ways of thinking -- but can also step outside    that paradigm and force a paradigm shift. An example of this could    be the shift beyond Euclidean geometry  whereby  it  was  realized    that despite theoretically being equidistant  along  their  entire    length, "parallel" lines would eventually cross  if  extended  far    enough through space  due  to  the  fact  that  space  itself  was    fundamentally  curved.  Geometry  operating  under  the  Euclidean    paradigm could not account for theories such as this -- a paradigm    shift occurred to a way of thinking  that  could  accommodate  the    "new reality". This form of realization forces people to  reassess    the suppositions upon  which  they  base  their  actions,  and  to    reorient existence in some way. The "Paradigm Shift"  we  describe    is one of everything toward annihilation.
CoC: "Submission Is  for  the  Weak"  is  one  of  the  album's  most      punishing tracks. I have to say the opening line and the  attack      that follows is quite remarkable. Any comments on that track?
V: Yes, it's probably my favourite song from the album too. So savage    you kind of go "Fuck!" when it comes in, but it has  depth  beyond    simple savagery. Plus the  vocals  are  especially  unpleasant.  I    don't think there is anything else that sounds much like it.
CoC: Re-recording "Supreme Necrotic Audnance"  and  "The  Technogoat"      from your demo CD was a very wise decision, in my  opinion.  Are      you pleased with the results,  do  you  think  those  two  songs      benefited from this?
V: Yeah, we know how to get better  sounds  now,  plus  the  original    version of the first track  had  a  fuck  up  on  the  tape.  "The    Technogoat" is a lot faster and more violent too, which is  always    a good thing. Plus it has the section somewhere in the  middle  of    probably the most inhuman vocals I've done so far. We also did  an    intermediate demo of that song and one or two others  that  hasn't    been released, with a different guitar sound.
CoC: The last couple of tracks seems to be recorded at a lower  level      than the rest, which is quite unfortunate. What happened there?
V: If there is any difference, it's just because it was difficult  to    mix them. Real necro can be hard to control. You're lucky we could    force any of it on to the CD at all.
CoC: The  word  "necro"  is  quite  ubiquitous  in  Anaal  Nathrakh's      discography. In what ways would you say it describes your  sound      and attitude?
V: Necro needs no  explanation.  There  are  those  who  possess  and    understand it, and there are those who do not.
CoC: Why the name V.I.T.R.I.O.L., by the way?
V: It means sulphuric acid, which is perfectly appropriate for me and    what I do in Anaal Nathrakh.  Corrosive,  and  based  on  elements    which stink of rot.  Plus  it  is  an  obscure  reference  to  the    Philosopher's Stone which has a perverse relevance to me.  That  I    won't go into.
CoC: Whilst visiting the current Anaal Nathrakh website,  I  found  a      prominent advert for a website that  lets  you  search  for  old      highschool classmates throughout the US. Care to comment on  the      irony?
V: Erm,  what?  Ah,  yeah,  the  Geocities  adverts  that   pop   up.    Schoolfriends, film adverts, pictures of Britney Spears, all sorts    of shit comes up. I think she would have to  be  the  most  ironic    thing that could possibly be on our site, as she is  the  absolute    opposite of what if  anything  we  are  about.  Worse  still,  she    appears to "stand for" what she represents (apple  pie,  sex  only    after marriage, lack of drug abuse, etc., etc.)  whereas  we  both    despise what she represents and reject the idea  of  standing  for    anything at all. Then again, the quantity of pictures of her  that    are around must lead to individuals somewhere out there who  would    love to jack her up, beat the shit out of her and  fuck  her  till    she was dead. So maybe there is some balance in the  world  to  an    extent. At least the adverts disappear after a few seconds...
CoC: The final words are yours...
V: The world may think it has seen the heart of  necro,  but  it  has    not. There are further depths to be plumbed, and  we  will  scrape    them clean of vile shit and serve it up, that  the  maggots  might    feast. Unspeakable, violent nihilism, rampant.  That  is  what  we    will create. Be ready, for the next lump of necro vomit is soon to    come...