Long known for melodic, commercially-oriented acts like Sentenced and  Amorphis, the frozen wastes of Finland conceal much darker treasures.  Joining the  ranks of  Barathrum and  Diaboli are  Clandestine Blaze,  purveyors  of grimly  unmelodic, "true"  black metal.  _Night of  the  Unholy  Flames_  is the  band's  second  outing, and  while  boasting  slightly better distribution  than the first, promises  to be equally  obscure and -- in the words  of the diehards -- "cult". Despite their  desire to remain underground, the band's Darkthrone-inspired material  deserves better  exposure, so I  decided to hook up  with Clandestine  Blaze for a little introductory  chat... which turned out longer than  expected and somewhat controversial too, but here goes.               
CoC: _Night of the  Unholy Flame_" has been out for  some time now...       how has the response been so  far, in Europe and the States? How       much promotion have the labels done for you?                     
CB: Response has been very good. One  could say it is also because --      like  all the  releases --  album has  been only  sold. Therefore      people who buy it mostly know what they will get, and they buy it      because they like this type of  material. There has not been free      copies sent to magazines etc.,  so there hardly is any journalist      criticism received. The little there is, has been positive.       
CoC: How about sales-wise?
CB: LP is  sold out. There is  little more than 100  CDs available at      Northern Heritage. I don't have details  of how sales in USA have      been, but rather good, I suppose, as I have not heard complaints.      This  is achieved  with almost  zero promotion.  There were  1000      flyers, and that  is all besides the blackmetal.com  web site. No      advertisements, and like said before, no free copies.             
CoC: Speaking of labels, the companies releasing the album are pretty       obscure, with  the exception of  the US distributor.  Aren't you       worried that this will affect the sales of the album?            
CB: All CB  releases are  intentionally limited editions.  There have      been no  problems to sell a  couple hundred vinyl and  a thousand      compact discs. As I'm in charge of Northern Heritage, there is no      better label to  be. Naturally NH is exactly my  taste, but if we      count that out, End All Life productions from France is the world      best  black metal  record  label. Their  non-commercial and  100%      dedicated attitude for  the true underground makes  it best label      to co-operate with. Blackmetal.com has been supportive and honest      from the  beginning, since  the release of  CB's first  demo. And      very easy to work with. They  do good work spreading the material      over USA, which  otherwise would not have  Clandestine Blaze, nor      Northern Heritage records distributed at all. Also they have done      great releases, and special support for vinyl as well.            
CoC: But  one must sell albums  to keep on creating  music... this is       unavoidable, isn't it?                                                
CB: Selling albums is  not necessity for creating music.  I have some      material which has  not, and probably will not  be released, it's      only given  as tapes to  some people. I feel  it is good  to show      people  that  black metal  underground  is  alive, and  releasing      records is a good way to show it. But it is not an absolute must.      I'm creating  music for  myself. Music  that I  like to  hear and      words  I like  to hear.  It's not  essential how  much the  album      sells. Existence of  a vinyl version that will  hold my creations      'till  a  distant future,  that  is  a  good point  in  releasing      records.                                                          
CoC: A great  idea... but  I'm still  not sure...  Anyway, on  to the       music itself.  You play  a very primitive  style of  music, with       very few technical elements. One  might attribute this to a lack       of skill/experience  rather than a conscious  choice. Simplicity       has long  been an  excuse for immaturity.  How would  a listener       differentiate  between  your music  and  that  of the  countless       immature bands nowadays?                                         
CB: Music  of  CB  is  intentionally  stripped  down  of  unnecessary      elements. It would be no problem  to change riffs more often, put      some fancy fills and different drumming styles and tempo changes.      But I  usually dislike  black metal  like that. I  like it  to be      solid,  in a  right way  monotonic, cold  and barbaric.  Music of      Clandestine Blaze is  what I want to hear. If  I liked some other      type, I would make it that way. When you look at the situation in      Finland, I  think it's the  immature kids who play  the technical      and sophisticated black metal. I  think it's the older generation      who  enjoy  the harsh  and  primitive  music  more. If  you  play      Hellhammer,  Bathory or  even  Darkthrone to  a  youth of  today,      they'll laugh  and go back to  latest Mayhem or Dimmu  Borgir CD.      Kids who  can't play, and  therefore do primitive  music, they'll      learn soon and bands become different and deny their "black metal      roots". It doesn't  take many years to see which  bands are worth      paying attention to. I'm not in a hurry here.                     
CoC: What then are your musical influences? I would guess Darkthrone,       Burzum, etc.?                                                         
CB: You're  right about  musical influences. Bathory,  Beherit... you      might add to the list.                                                
CoC: There's  a small  but strong  movement today  playing this  raw,       primitive  style. Bands  like Judas  Iscariot, Urgehal  and some       German acts  like Katharsis,  etc.. What do  you think  of these       bands? Any recommendations or preferences?                       
CB: There  are plenty  of good  bands out  there who  play raw  black      metal. Finland  alone has Bloodhammer, Warloghe,  Helwetti, Pest,      Annihilatus, Uncreation's Dawn, Incriminated, Musta Surma, Horna,      and the list  goes on. The rest  of the world also  has many good      bands,  Deathspell Omega  being  among my  favorites, also  being      released on Northern  Heritage. I'm not worried  about the future      of black  metal as music.  Good music will always  exist, despite      being minority. Lack of right attitude is frustrating.            
CoC: Indeed,  but  I guess  labels  have  a  hard time  surviving  by       supporting such music.  I know: my own distro  carries only such       obscure bands/labels, and it's difficult to sell more than a few       copies of  anything. Is  there anything  we can  do to  keep the       tradition alive?                                                 
CB: I  am used  to small  amounts  of sold  items. When  I work  with      Northern  Heritage,  even  bigger  names (in  this  case  meaning      Graveland and similar scale) don't  sell more than a couple dozen      copies. Therefore I  find it worthy to take  unknown bands' rough      demo tapes, even  if it would sell three copies.  I don't want to      push things artificially.  All worthy things are  noticed if they      deserve it.  It might be  difficult to sell something  that every      label  has  and that  is  available  easily,  but when  you  have      exceptional releases, they  will sell. I see  many labels pushing      hard to  grow bigger  and when they  face difficulties  and their      plans don't come true, they are frustrated. I'm satisfied to stay      small. That  way those people  who get  stuff from NH  can always      trust good and fast delivery and  honesty. Not this "fill out the      form  and show  us credit  card" style  that big  labels are  now      using.                                                            
CoC: Do you think it'll be able to continue for long?
CB: Underground  will always  be there.  You  can count  on that.  If      wannabe mainstream bands  go to mainstream, that  is only healthy      for the true underground. Getting smaller doesn't mean the end.   
CoC: Maniac Butcher is  famous for their slogan  "No female vocals...       etc."; you follow the same tradition. What is the reason for not       including these  elements in  your music?  Don't you  think that       music with these elements can  be considered good black metal at       all?                                                             
CB: When you look even as little as ten years back, there wasn't much      synthesizers in metal, nor female vocals. If you would have asked      some metalhead  back then, would  you buy this metal  album which      has flute and  violin as main instruments, he  would have smashed      your face.                                                        
CoC: So  what do you think  of the bands that  have turned "strange",       like Dodheimsgard, Satyricon, etc.?                                   
CB: I do listen  to very experimental music, but what  comes to black      metal, it's good  when it is pure. Metal is  supposed to be ugly,      filthy and raw.  Metal scene swallows all what is  given. Can you      go  to disco  and convince  people that  metal is  actually disco      music? No,  you can't. But  when introduced some disco  music for      metal crowd as "new style of  metal", they'll soon dig it. I have      not  heard  Dodheimsgard since  their  _Satanic  Art_ MCD,  which      sucked hard.  New Satyricon  is not  so "strange".  It's actually      based mostly on traditional metal instruments and elements. Their      MCDs are shit, if you mean those?                                 
CoC: That's what I was referring to. I feel (like you, probably) that       today's scene  is but  a shadow  of what it  was in  early '90s.       Black metal was created to be  feared and hated, not embraced by       kids like it is today.                                           
CB: In a very  short period of time there came  an explosion of bands      in several countries.  It was already early '90s  when there were      so many followers.  You can ask who  is trendy -- the  guy who in      2000 gets interested in black metal  or the guy who jumped in the      bandwagon  one month  after he  read some  shocking article  from      Terrorizer. Early '90s  had its good things, but  it's often full      of romanticized things as well. Black  metal still is all that it      was in the early '90s, but  besides it, there is press and labels      who try  to convince  us that  some pop  music is  actually black      metal.  People are  naturally stupid  enough to  believe that.  I      don't think that any punks believe that radio-rock like Offspring      is actually punk.  Metalheads should also see  when someone tries      to feed  them bullshit. In  early '90s  you have small  groups of      bands  which made  black  metal into  big  news. Even  Euronymous      declared that  Mayhem should aim to  be big. When it  finally is,      see what it  became. Stories around the mystical band  is full of      legends which often are not so close to truth we can read between      lines. Burzum,  another influential  name. He  did his  thing and      is  now preaching  family  values. Then  you  have Emperor,  with      eyeliners and black  nail polish, telling how  immature kids they      were back  then. And the list  keeps going. I would  not say that      it's essential to  reach the same hype it was  back then. There's      no  need  to have  these  people  pretending they're  extreme  if      they'll  change their  views  as  soon as  their  little fun  and      excitement is over.  Bands who remain strong and  keep going like      unstoppable force. I think that is what we need.                  
CoC: But do you believe that this popularity can be used in achieving       your objectives?                                                      
CB: Popularity  does have  its advantages.  But there  are limits.  I      personally did  not know any  "metalheads" in my youth.  If metal      would have been 100% underground, I  don't know how long it would      have taken  to find it.  Luckily there  was some metal  played in      radio, so it  gave first touch for this type  of music, and after      that I found my way to the underground by myself.                 
CoC: Speaking of which, what exactly do you wish to achieve with your       music? Can it ever be done?                                           
CB: Purpose of music  itself is to satisfy my need  to hear something      that is suitable  for my ear and musical  taste. Outside simplest      meaning  of "music",  Clandestine Blaze  lyrics and  attitude are      tied closely to this. I see  no reason to make music that doesn't      express anything. If  people are influenced by my  views, and see      new ways to think, that is quite a lot achieved.                  
CoC: Which  brings  us   to  your  lyrics.  Much  of   it  is  openly       anti-christian. Why do  you harbor so much  hatred for religion?       What is  it about religion that  you hate so much?  Are there no       positive points about it at all?                                 
CB: Christianity tries  to feed us  false values. It starts  from the      beginning when you are born.  In Finland, state and religion walk      hand in hand. As member (to  a certain extent) of society you are      stepped over  by values  which are  grotesque and  bullshit. They      have love and empathy taken to absurd level, they have worship of      the non-existent and enslaving yourself  under it. It doesn't end      there, they try to take everyone  else with it. Rules that should      only mean something  to those who are christian,  are forced upon      everyone. To get some trivial examples: if you own a company, you      pay tax to church even if you  don't belong to one. If you commit      some  crime during  the  christmas season,  you'll  get a  harder      sentence, because  of the supposed  birth of the bastard  jew. If      someone is in coma waiting his  death, you can't pull the plug as      all life is said to be  valuable gift from god. Etc., etc., there      are so many details, but we  all know it. When christianity teams      with  state, it  all  turns  to: shut  up  and  work. You  reduce      yourself as part  of lords great plans and serve  with a smile on      your face. If  you want that, be  my guest. Your lord,  he is not      mine. When  they force  their religion  at me,  I don't  turn the      other cheek. It's made clear that I'm not one of them, I'll never      be. I blaspheme  their "valuable" world for  my own satisfaction.      It's not a matter of making the world a better place, when absurd      christ  lovers and  liberal  humanists are  hunted  down. It's  a      matter of individual doing what he wants and what has to be done,      not following expectation that outside world has.                 
CoC: But does it really affect you that much?
CB: I hear  someone say  "why waste  your time,  christianity doesn't      affect my life at all, I just don't care about it". Well, today a      friend  told me  he  was attacked  by a  couple  of junkies  last      weekend. If christian values would not  be so deep in our system,      those guys could now be stabbed to death, so they won't bother me      or my friends ever again. But no. This absurd christian origin of      "brotherly love"  makes system  to help  the lowlife  who himself      made all the decisions. If you respond attack with force and harm      or kill  someone in process,  you'll be punished and  jailed. You      should just shut up and turn  the cheek, take what is given, pray      and wait that those people will be helped and guided back to good      christian life. Small  things like this prove  you're still under      the siege of christian values. To  know and then show people what      YOU stand for can not be bad.                                     
CoC: Whew! OK, so where do you draw these sentiments from? Childhood,       perhaps? Or  maybe some  bad experiences you  had? I  mean, what       made you decide to follow the left hand path?                    
CB: I follow my  own path. Time that  I have spent on  this world has      proven it to be right. I  do see myself above the regular people.      There's  absolutely  nothing  wrong admitting  that.  People  say      "you'll get  over this"  and "you'll  grow up  and become  a good      member  of society",  but I  don't believe  that. How  can I  can      possibly respect  and learn  from people who  have not  lived one      single day in their lives? Their physical age does not give value      to their preaching.  My way is the right way,  it would be absurd      to believe otherwise. Why continue if you think you are wrong?    
CoC: Some  of your  lyrics  and propaganda  is strongly  anti-Semitic       as  well; in  fact,  even  the labels  you're  on  seem to  have       anti-Semitic connotations. What do you have to say to this?      
CB: When I  as white man make  lyrics of killing other  white men, no      one sees  it as  a problem. If  I write the  same about  jews, it      makes several people to ask questions. Then I can ask: who is the      racist, me or them? Look around in Europe. You can come here from      any different  culture and practice  your religion and  form your      own  cultural movements,  but -if-  you  are white  man, in  some      countries you can't even salute others in a way it was done a few      decades ago without getting problems with authorities.            
CoC: Is all this expressed hate actually racially motivated, then?
CB: I  don't  have  special  deep  hatred  for  some  race.  I  don't      necessarily like gypsies or street  niggers here, but in general,      I don't like average Finns or Swedish speaking minority either! I      never write pure fantasy. "Tearing Down Jerusalem", b-side of 7",      received some criticism.  Look at what jews are  doing in Israel?      How jewish bankers  have acted since times of  Napoleon? Should I      shut up only because after WWII holocaust jews are taboo subjects      which should not  be touched? Look at news couple  of months ago.      United Nations  condemned Israel  of "large scale  and systematic      violations of  human rights"  but European  Union and  USA openly      disagreed with this judgement! We see the obvious, but cowards at      our  z.o.g. infested  governments can't  admit it.  Zionism, what      above  mentioned track  speaks  about, has  been declared  racial      prejudice  by United  Nations  already decades  ago.  So how  the      FUCK  can Clandestine  Blaze give  people so  many problems  when      human-loving  United Nations  have made  similar conclusions?!  I      only have less respect for value of man, therefore I can say kill      the scum, while others dream of artificial and unjust peace. Jews      are target  because of  their religion and  what comes  along it.      It's not racial issue for me.                                     
CoC: It's a fine line indeed... haha! The track "Chambers" deals with       gas chambers, Zyklon-B, etc.. Are  you saying that the Holocaust       was actually  a desirable event?  Does this have anything  to do       with why your lyrics aren't included on the CD version?          
CB: Why lyrics are  not included on CD version  is because originally      thought was to  not print lyrics anywhere, but only  give them to      people upon request. That way it  could be seen how many actually      valued  lyrics  and  wrote  and  asked for  them.  End  All  Life      suggested LP version should have lyric  sheet in each copy, and I      thought why  not, as vinyl  buying people are a  little different      from  average CD  black metal  fan. Anyone  who wants  lyrics can      write or e-mail  to get them. All lyrics are  available. There is      nothing to hide.                                                  
CoC: About the song then? Perhaps you'd like to explain it then?
CB: The  song "Chambers"  does  not  talk about  the  past, but  it's      statement for  the future. But  it includes influences  from past      too. Look  at second  verse, it  tells about  the fact  that most      people just submit to this. They  dig their own graves, they help      the  enemy. While  they know  they will  be executed,  instead of      showing last resistance and either get killed or break free, they      choose only to get killed and even help enemy to do it. Groups of      people can easily  run over one or more armed  men, but if people      just don't try  to change their position, only  follow orders and      submit quietly,  don't they  deserve what  they get?  Third verse      talks  about the  fact that  when chambers  are filled  with gas,      people sure won't  be nice and full of  religious brotherly love.      They'll rage and try to find clean air to breath, climb over each      other  to  get oxygen  from  higher  (even  if it's  not  there),      violently crush other people to survive themselves. It takes this      long to reveal true nature  of humans that they have artificially      tried to hide. But it is too late then.                           
CoC: You know it's always tempting to use the label "Nazi"...
CB: Clandestine Blaze  is not nazi  band. Nazi =  national socialist.      First of  all: I'm not socialist  of any kind, and  I don't think      any black metal should be.  Nationalists think that their country      or  people in  it  are  somewhat special,  but  I  tend to  think      most  people  are just  meat.  Useless  flesh, often  stupid  and      unimportant. I don't think any state  is different, but as I live      in Finland, I can only comment  on that. How can I be nationalist      in state,  where state  and religion  walks hand  in hand?  How I      could join army when majority of  people give oath in the name of      god? How  could I be  nationalist in a  state that does  not even      respect  itself, but  prostitutes  itself and  spreads legs  with      every other nation.  How could I be nationalist in  a state which      is against many things I  stand for? Nazism is about conservative      values, family values, endless  and unquestionable love for white      race  and your  country brothers.  You see  ns/pagan movement  in      metal, and sometimes  they try to convince they  are black metal.      But since  when was  this socialist  garbage classified  as black      metal?! Ten years ago every  black metaller from Norway to Poland      remembered to  tell how  LaVey sucked because  of his  humane and      life-loving ideology. Now same  people are making "14/88" slogans      -- which  simply means "save the  kids, make good future  for our      kids".  So  what has  happened?  I  don't  know, but  I'd  rather      masturbate on  the bible, shit  on the  cross and burn  the flag.      Anti-social and  anti-christ. If  that doesn't make  things clear      and I hear once again people saying  CB as "nsbm", I must ask how      low can man's intelligence go?!                                   
CoC: OK, I'd like to take you back to your previous material, which I       haven't heard, unfortunately. How  do you feel you've progressed       so far from  your 7" days? And what direction  are you headed in       the future?                                                      
CB: 7" was  third release. It  came after debut  LP [and one  demo --      Alvin]. All the  releases are a little different,  but still, you      could take any of the songs and  put it in some other CB release,      and it still fits there like fist in the face. There are no plans      for  new direction.  I will  keep doing  material and  everything      comes  naturally.  Simple, raw  and  primitive  black metal  from      beginning to the end.                                             
CoC: I'm sure you have some  plans for your next release... Enlighten       us fans: what can we expect from the band in the near future?
CB: Clandestine  Blaze  /  Deathspell  Omega split  LP,  vinyl  only,      limited  to 300  copies. Four  songs by  CB, three  by DO.  Total      playing time  over 40  minutes. All  exclusive songs  that aren't      published elsewhere.  After you  hear Deathspell Omega  music and      read the lyrics, there is no doubt who is best French black metal      band alive.  Soon exclusive track  is released on End  All Life's      compilation LP, vinyl only, 300 copies.                           
CoC: Do  you plan to  play live at  all? For promotion  and exposure,       maybe?                                                                
CB: No live shows or tours. I have made some plans that could be done      on stage, but on  the other hand I think CB music  is not so live      show type  of music. No guitar  heroes, no exciting drum  work to      watch, etc.. This  music is for special audience,  and live shows      have a lot of regular metal  fans and teenagers. To not play live      is not the final decision, but  when and where, that's up to many      things. Not very soon, that is for sure.                          
CoC: OK then, that's all for now. Anything to add? Merchandising info       etc., maybe?                                                          
CB: No merchandise, no  web site, no MP3, no free  stuff. Contact at:      NH,  PL 21,  15141 Lahti,  Finland. clandestineblaze@hotmail.com.      Future lies in hands of the strong                              . 
CoC: Erm... OK. You heard the man...